CNN's usual article pertaining to the war in Iraq. However, about 1/2 way down, there's a little nugget that has been completely missed by everyone. Iran admits that they are supplying weapons and training to the insurgents in Iraq.
Gen. Petraeus said the Iranian ambassador has given his Iraqi counterpart assurances Iran would stop the supplying and training of insurgents.
Even the Iranian President ducks questions about supporting the insurgency in Iraq.
Where's the Democrats who are supposed to "support the troops"? Shouldn't they be outraged that Iran has tactically admitted that they are fighting a proxy war against the US AND have been directly responsible for the murder of US troops?
Where's Hillary? Wasn't she saying that we need to get out of Iraq because it was merely a "sectarian civil war"? Well if that's the case, where's your outrage at Iran? When are you going to call upon President Bush to order tactical strikes against Iranian military and nuclear facilities?
Where's Obama? He was against this war from the beginning only because he wasn't forced into making a tough vote decision. Well if he supports our men and women over there as well, he should be up in arms about this admission as well.
Where's ANYONE who's more pissed about this then I am? Our people over there are getting shot at by Iranian trained insurgents and Iran MUST pay a price for such support.
Iran for the longest time denied that they were supporting the insurgency, and now we have an admission of guilt. Now they are denying that they are after nuclear weapons. Do you want to believe them this time? Are you really that gullible?
If we are truly "bogged down" in Iraq like some people are suggesting. Then give the green light to Israel to start the bombing campaign. Israel doesn't mess around when it comes to war and they can easily bring Iran to it's knees within weeks. When Israel takes off the gloves, watch them assassinate leaders, bomb military facilities, and crush Iran. You don't have to believe me. Just take a look at the domination of the skies over Syria recently to see what I mean.
Travis
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So just because Petraeus says it, it's now fact? Remember when Colin Powell went in front of the UN and presented "evidence" that Iraq had WMD? That was true, right?
This is nothing more than propoganda perpetuated on the orders of the Neo-con/AIPAC coalition.
I guess the USSR would have been within their right to bomb the United States when we were supplying weapons and cash to the Mujahadeen in their fight against the Sovient Union in Afghansitan. We trained Bin Laden for that fight.
Yet the USSR didn't bomb us. I wonder why.
If supplying weapons to iraqi insurgents is considered grounds for miitary action, we have a lot of bombing to do.
Weapons have been pouring in from China, Russia, and France to name a few.
Blackwater has been busted selling weapons to Iraqi insurgents. Hundreds of thousands of AK-47's have gone missing on American watch. Americans have been busted selling weapons to iraqi insurgents.
War profiteers have no loyalty to any nation and often supply both sides with weapons.
The U.S recently moved to sell billions of dollars in weapons to Saudi Arabia. Those weapons are making their way to Iraq as are foreign jihadis from Saudi Arabia that kill our troops.
The way to curb any involvement Iran is having in Iraq is via diplomacy, something the Bush Administraton loathes.
Too bad the Iranian Ambassador didn't give a comment yet. I'm not taking Petraeus's word on this.
Threatening to bomb Iran isn't going to do a bit of good. But it appears it's becoming inevitbale that this is what the Cheney/Bush Administration is going to do.
How much more evidence do either of you need? The Iranian government sidesteps the question constantly, the Iraqi AND Iranian diplomats do not deny any of this, and we've shown physical evidence of them supplying arms.
So, where's your source of "weapons pouring in from China, Russia and France?" We're selling weapons to Saudi Arabia, but those are high end things like aircraft and such. I doubt you'll find Al-Qaeda in Iraq has an Air Force.
So going by both your logic, both of you wouldn't fight back if I started shooting at you?
If anyone has been selling weapons to insurgents, Blackwater included, they need to be punished for indirectly causing the deaths of US soldiers.
So both of you are advocating an undeclared enemy supporting and supplying people who are murdering US troops?
So you wouldn't have a problem if I supplied a gun to your neighbor if he was threatening you? You wouldn't fight back?
But of course I can fully expect that kind of attitude from someone's profile that says: "The NeoConservative Agenda Must Be Stopped In Order to Protect The Interests of THE PEOPLE, The CITIZENS of These United States of America"
Yeah, it's all the NeoCon's fault right? The Iranians were peace loving people until this all went down. You liberals have rightfully earned your reputation as spineless and weak against any threats to US interests and it's people.
Travis
I do blame the NeoCons for getting us into Iraq in the first place which has increased terror not decreased it.
Not to mention the glaringly obvious fact that Bin Laden is still free and Al Qaeda along with the Taliban roam free in Talibanistan (border region between Pakistan and Afghanistan)
Iraq buying weapons from China: report
Now the weapons are intended for Iraq's police force. But do you really think none of those weapons are ending up in the hands of insurgents? Hell, many are in the Iraq Army by day and insurgent groups by night. Many in the Iraq Amry provide intelligence on U.S. troop movement so the insurgents know where to place the IED's.
SNAFU FUBAR
Weapons used by insurgents
Note how none are made in Iraq or Afghanistan. The weapons come from other countries besides Iran.
Russia and Syria sign major weapons deal
You don't think any of those weapons are making their way from Russia to Syria to Iraq?
Weapons sales is HUGE business.
You're probably right about the hightech stuff Saudi Arabia is buying from us not making it to Iraq. But how much of their low tech stuff is?
Report: Private Saudi citizens funding Iraqi insurgents
Suicide bombers head to Iraq from Damascus
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According to Mohammed Hafez, a visiting professor at the University of Missouri and author of Suicide Bombers in Iraq, the Strategy and Ideology of Martyrdom, the influence of the Saudi Wahhabis is key to any understanding of the phenomenon. His study of 139 suicide bombings found that 53 were carried out by Saudis, compared with 18 by Iraqis, seven by Syrians and four by Jordanians.
The Saudis had already fought foreign jihads in Afghanistan, Bos-nia and Chechnya, Hafez said. In Iraq they exploited the culture of martyrdom established by Palestinian suicide bombers. The targeting of so many Shi’ites has been consistent with their beliefs.
“Wahhabi tradition sees the ascendancy of Shia as [a] worse evil than occupation by infidels, because Shia are heretics and apostates,” said Hafez.
So it was that if the black-bearded Abu Ibrahim went ahead with his journey as planned last week, he was bound for Al-Qaeda in Iraq; and regardless of his determination to slaughter American soldiers, the chances were that he would end up being directed towardsa Shi’ite target instead.
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"So you wouldn't have a problem if I supplied a gun to your neighbor if he was threatening you? You wouldn't fight back?"
I'd call the police for starters.
I'm not saying we do nothing about Iran,
I'm saying bombing Iran should be a last resort after diplomacy has been exhauasted.
But the Bush Administration doesn't believe in diplomacy. They do beleive in bombs.
No one talks about what might happen if we bomb Iran. Our troops will be sitting ducks in Iraq and severly outnumbered.
I also need to see proof of just how widespread the Iranian support is of the insurgency. I don't trust this administration after the lies they sold the American People to get support for invading Iraq.
The situation in Iraq is tenious and complicated. Saying "let's just bomb them" then doing it isn't going to solve anything.
In fact it would likely make things worse causing the Iranian People to rise up. It may also form an even stronger alliance between Iraq's Malaki Shi'a dominated govenment and Iran's Shi'a Theocracy.
Iraq's already teetering neer theocracy.
"Yeah, it's all the NeoCon's fault right? The Iranians were peace loving people until this all went down. You liberals have rightfully earned your reputation as spineless and weak against any threats to US interests and it's people."
The Iranian government, specifically the Mullahs and the whack job Ahmadinejead are not peace loving. Neither is Bush. Both want war with each other.
But the Iranian People don't support Mahmoud any more than the American People support Bush.
There's a time and place for force. This Blackwater approach to life you right wing lunatics have embraced of shoot first and kill anyone that asks questions does more harm then good and puts us in even more danger.
Terrorism is increasing in the world thanks to the actions of the U.S. government by invading Iraq and not finishing the job in Afghansitan. Torturing people doesn't win hearts and minds.
Not to mention that we have $9 Trillion in debt and our military is over extended.
Bombing is easy. Peace is hard.
We're supposed to be smart. So why can't we outsmart Iran? Force their hand? There are alot of things we can do to put pressure on both the Iranian government and Iraq's stumbling government that doesn't involve bombs.
The problem with right wing lunatics like you is that when you feel threatened you think the only recourse you have is to turn to force. And because we have lunatics like Cheney and Bush along that listen to lunatics like you, you're dragging the rest of America (70% of it) along on your wild ride which is doing nothing but bankrupting America and putting us more in danger.
We're no safer today than we were before 9/11. Little has been done to secure our borders. Many of our ports got sold to Dubai.
And if a real military threat to the U.S. came up, like Russia or China attacking our assets, we're so bogged down in Iraq we wouldn't be able to respond. At least not with troops if it was required.
Hell, we probably couldn't stop an invasion from Canada or Mexico right now unless we used nukes and what good would that do? We'd ruin all the land. Hence Russia developing a bomb that's as powerful as a nuke but with no radiation.
Also, you should read about the NeoCons.
Here is their site:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/
You'll did it. They think just like you: bomb everyone who disagrees with us or threatens us in either a real or imagined sort of way)
Oh, and thanks for not deleting my comments. So often the right wing is afraid of allowing dissenting opions to comment on their sites.
There would be no way in hell I'd delete your comments. I do enjoy a healthy debate between differing political ideology. :) I am on my way out the door of my office, but I will rebut when I get home after my workout. Welcome to the site!
"So you wouldn't have a problem if I supplied a gun to your neighbor if he was threatening you? You wouldn't fight back?"
I'd call the police for starters.
Well that would be true, however, who's the "police" you're going to call when it comes to dealing with a sovereign nation?
I'm not saying we do nothing about Iran,
You and I are in complete agreement there.
I'm saying bombing Iran should be a last resort after diplomacy has been exhauasted.
I completely agree as well. If Iran is taking covert action against us, I believe that we should return the favor in kind. We've already sabotaged some of Iran's nuclear centrifuges.
But the Bush Administration doesn't believe in diplomacy. They do beleive in bombs.
I'll give you that one.
No one talks about what might happen if we bomb Iran. Our troops will be sitting ducks in Iraq and severly outnumbered.
My main problem with Iran isn't necessarily to bomb them indiscriminately. I do however, want to bomb weapons and bomb making factories that are knowingly producing items that are being directly handed to insurgents.
I also need to see proof of just how widespread the Iranian support is of the insurgency. I don't trust this administration after the lies they sold the American People to get support for invading Iraq.
I don't blame you and completely understand. However, when you see IED's, RPG's, and other small arms continually being found on insurgents that the vast majority comes from Iran, you have to begin to wonder why.
The situation in Iraq is tenious and complicated. Saying "let's just bomb them" then doing it isn't going to solve anything.
Maybe not. Maybe so. If you have an idea on how to stop them from gaining a nuclear weapon, I'm all ears. With Russia and China dragging their feet on UN resolutions, you simply must come up with a "plan b". Israel may lose patience and attack Iran anyways, so we may not have to lift a finger. If the UN was actually doing it's job and member nations kept their word when they signed Security Council resolutions, the Iranian nuclear weapons issue would have been solved long ago.
Even the IAEA has said they've found documents pertaining to Iran's nuclear program that serve no other purpose then nuclear weapons. With Iran's support of Hezbollah, do you want to take a chance on "maybe"?
We're no safer today than we were before 9/11. Little has been done to secure our borders.
So you're ok with us building a fence along both borders? Awesome!
Hence Russia developing a bomb that's as powerful as a nuke but with no radiation.
Russia's military is in shambles. The new bomb is merely a "big dick" contest to try to get back onto the world stage. If they were so high and mighty, why do they offer such vast amounts of money and support to people to have babies? Their population is declining severely and they simply cannot survive going the way they are now. They'll collapse again in time.
As a side note, I do welcome your comments and opinions. In fact, you are welcome here anytime you wish with any viewpoint you wish.
Of course, that goes for anyone. I've only had to delete 3 comments in the year or so I've been online. All 3 were people trying to spam advertisements on the comments section.
Opposing viewpoints are the cornerstone of American core values, I certainly wouldn't discourage anyone from saying what they feel.
Besides, occasionally I get a nutjob on here that goes on and on about wild conspiracy theories and idiotic ways of thinking. I let that slide to because sometimes, it's entertaining. :)
Oh, I forgot to hit upon your weapons point. All the articles you cite show light to advanced military purchases. Aircraft, jeeps, etc. Sure, there's always the possibility that these can fall into the hands of insurgents, but my main point was not a theft of weapons, but the willingness of a nation to supply weapons to insurgents when they know that they'll be used to murder US troops.
Oh, and Han shot first. :)
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